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[09:08\]  <ajs6f> Chris is pleased about progress on submitted issues.
Wiki Markup\[09:14\]  <ajs6f> Frank is now assigned FCREPO-1027 and FCREPO-1023.
Wiki Markup\[09:15\]  <ajs6f> Chris has word from Thorny that folks from CDC are interested in helping with some development work in order to advance their own projects.
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\[09:15\]  <ajs6f> As well as NEH.
Wiki Markup\[09:16\]  <ajs6f> Dan skewers the medical establishment.
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\[09:17\]  <ajs6f> These projects concern publications after publisher embargoes are lifting.
Wiki Markup\[09:17\]  <ajs6f> Also, these groups are running Fedora in the cloud.
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\[09:18\]  <ajs6f> They're operating under a federal mandate to push efforts to the cloud.
Wiki Markup\[09:19\]  <ajs6f> Chris: Let's not waste time.
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\[09:19\]  <ajs6f> Adam: Anything for 3.6 that warrants discussion?
Wiki Markup\[09:19\]  <ajs6f> Dan: What about replacing JRDF?
Wiki Markup\[09:19\]  <ajs6f> https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-950
Wiki Markup\[09:19\]  <kompewter Wiki Markup> \ [ \ [#FCREPO-950] Evaluate replacements for JRDF - DuraSpace JIRA ] - https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-950
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[09:21\]  <ajs6f> http://incubator.apache.org/stanbol/
Wiki Markup\[09:21\]  <kompewter Wiki Markup> \ [ Apache Stanbol - Welcome to Apache Stanbol (incubating) \ ] \- - http://incubator.apache.org/stanbol/
Wiki Markup\[09:22\]  <ajs6f> Adam: Stanbol uses Clerezza for storing structural RDF.
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\[09:23\]  <ajs6f> Chris: We do need to parse RDF in the core.
Wiki Markup\[09:23\]  <ajs6f> http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/
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\[09:23\]  <kompewter Wiki Markup> \ [ Welcome to Apache Clerezza \ ] \- - http://incubator.apache.org/clerezza/
Wiki Markup\[09:23\]  <ajs6f> http://incubator.apache.org/jena/
Wiki Markup\[09:23\]  <kompewter Wiki Markup> \ [ Apache Jena - Welcome to Jena \ ] \- - http://incubator.apache.org/jena/
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\[09:24\]  <ajs6f> Adam, Chris: Jena is quite large, but may be modularized.
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\[09:25\]  <ajs6f> Chris: Seseme RIO is fairly light.
Wiki Markup\[09:25\]  <ajs6f> Seseme -> Sesame
Wiki Markup\[09:27\]  <ajs6f> Adam: What is the relationship of the RDF graph to the objects? This informs how much we want to invest in RDF infrastructure.
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[09:28\]  <ajs6f> Dan: The graph is central, but the implementation is different question.
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\[09:28\]  <barmintor> +1 in-memory linked lists
Wiki Markup\[09:28\]  <ajs6f> Adam: The graph is a graph, but that doesn't imply that it has to be in a triplestore.
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\[09:28\]  <ajs6f> Chris: We _will_ have to parse and deal with RDF.
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\[09:29\]  <ajs6f> Dan: Looking at SemWeb architecture (and Linked Data) they see RDF as sending messages. Not so much about triplestores.
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\[09:30\]  <ajs6f> Dan: Fedora fits well with that. The triplestore is not necessarily part of the core.
Wiki Markup\[09:30\]  <ajs6f> Dan: What does Fedora (in a large sense) need to ask at different scales?
Wiki Markup\[09:31\]  <ajs6f> Dan: Low-level questions: about graphs about _how_ the stuff is stored.
Wiki Markup\[09:31\]  <ajs6f> Dan: Not content-driven questions.
Wiki Markup\[09:32\]  <ajs6f> Dan: This about what Fedora _requires_, not what a given site might want to do.
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\[09:33\]  <ajs6f> Frank: Don't we need to abstract out these questions?
Wiki Markup\[09:33\]  <ajs6f> Everyone: Yes, and some of it has already happened (Trippi) and some needs to (High Level Store).
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\[09:35\]  <ajs6f> Adam: This all argues for changes in the core patterns of workflow.
Wiki Markup\[09:35\]  <ajs6f> Dan: High level storage implies those kins of changes.
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\[09:36\]  <ajs6f> Ben: Using modern Web service engines supports asynch patterns.
Wiki Markup\[09:37\]  <ajs6f> Ben: Which might be a necessary but not sufficient step.
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\[09:37\]  <ajs6f> Frank: We may soon have asynch HTTP which would open up the Web APIs.
Wiki Markup\[09:38\]  <ajs6f> Chris: This is lower level-- system-to-system interaction.
Wiki Markup\[09:38\]  <ajs6f> Adam: This is about the boundaries between arch styles.
Wiki Markup\[09:39\]  <ajs6f> Dan: Hopes that Fedora will be a mediator able to support multiple styles of interaction.
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\[09:41\]  <ajs6f> Adam: We needed to use other machinery for that mediating purpose precisely because Fedora doesn't do that so well right now.
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\[09:42\]  <ajs6f> Dan: Then there's moving from operation-centrism to data-centrism.
Wiki Markup\[09:44\]  <Dan_Davis> Ben: Rejiggering FESL configuration files to Spring configuration files
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\[09:45\]  <Dan_Davis> Ben: Needs feedback, want eyeballs on code.
Wiki Markup\[09:45\]  <eddies> Ben: calling for feedback on FCREPO-795 branch
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\[09:45\]  <barmintor> https://github.com/fcrepo/fcrepo/tree/fcrepo-795/fcrepo-installer/src/main/resources/config/spring/fesl
Wiki Markup\[09:45\]  <kompewter Wiki Markup> \ [ fcrepo/fcrepo-installer/src/main/resources/config/spring/fesl at fcrepo-795 - · fcrepo/fcrepo - GitHub \] -· GitHub ] -https://github.com/fcrepo/fcrepo/tree/fcrepo-795/fcrepo-installer/src/main/resources/config/spring/fesl
Wiki Markup\[09:46\]  <Dan_Davis> Ben: Stored under the installer.
Wiki Markup\[09:46\]  <barmintor> http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/reference/extensible-xml.html
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\[09:46\]  <kompewter Wiki Markup> \[ Appendix B. Extensible XML authoring \] \- [ Appendix B. Extensible XML authoring ] - http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/reference/extensible-xml.html
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\[09:47\]  <Dan_Davis> Chris: Is seeing how it all hangs together.
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\[09:48\]  <Dan_Davis> Chris: As opposed to all hanging separately.
Wiki Markup\[09:50\]  <Dan_Davis> Chris: Normally user configs go into properties files vs xml (unless there is a UI).
Wiki Markup\[09:51\]  <Dan_Davis> Ben: This is a good chance to clean up FESL configuration to make it easier to understand.
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\[09:55\]  <Dan_Davis> Eddie: This impl is much improved. Maybe needs related configurations be not widely separated so its less likely that you have unexpected consequences from a change.
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\[09:59\]  <Dan_Davis> Chris: Annotation may need one to parse through Java but having a everything in single XML file.
Wiki Markup\[10:02\]  <Dan_Davis> Ben: Maybe move annotations to core PEP code for basic CRUD.
Wiki Markup\[10:02\]  <Dan_Davis> Dan: I lost connection so someone needs to take notes.
Wiki Markup\[10:05\]  <barmintor> Ben: ActiveMQ has a dependency on an older version of slf4j until 3.6 comes out of snapshot, then we can move up to cxf 2.5 or 2.6 Wiki Markup\

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